Social Ref + Business = A fun Podcast

Happy to be invited on a Podcast with the great Mike Grabham of Startup Grind to talk about how the Social Ref philosophy and communication tools could be used in small business or in your everyday life conversations.

This is the 2nd half of the interview where we get to the good stuff and fun stories about Hanlon’s Razor and Self Serving Bias, and winning an argument by first not losing.

Hope you enjoy: